RECORD NOTE OF DISCUSSIONS HELD DURING THE THIRD MEETING OF THE JOINT COMMITTEE ON MACP
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MOST IMMEDIATE NO. 11/1/2010-JCA North Block, New Delhi OFFICE MEMORANDUM
Subject: Summary record of discussions held during the third meeting of the Joint Committee on MACPS held on 15th March, 2011 under the Chairpersonship of the Joint Secretary (Estt.) DOPT.
The undersigned is directed to enclose herewith summary record of discussions held during the Third Meeting of the Joint Committee on MACPS held under the Chairpersonship of the Joint Secretary (Establishment), DOPT on 15th March, 2011 for information and further (Dinesh Kapila)
SUMMARY RECORD OF DISCUSSIONS HELD DURING THE THIRD MEETING OF THE JOINT COMMITTEE ON MACPâS HELD UNDER THE CHAIRPERSONSHIP OF THE JOINT SECRETARY (ESTABLISHMENT), DOP&T ON 15th MARCH 2011 1. The third meeting of the Joint Committee constituted to examine the anomalies pertaining to the MACP scheme was held under the Chairmanship of Joint Secretary (Estt.) Department of Personnel & Training on 15th March, 2011. All the members of the Committee were present in the meeting. 2. The Chairperson welcomed the representatives of the Official Side and the Staff Side and stated that with respected item numbers 13, 21, 27, 28, 32, 38, 44, 50 & 58, suitable instructions had been issued vide this Departmentâs O.M. dated the 1st November, 2010. She also informed that as per the decision taken in the second meeting of the Joint Committee, vide this Departmentâs O.M. dated 10th February, 2011, all concerned have been advised to review the cadre structure in a time bound manner with a view to mitigate the problem of stagnation 3. Thereafter, the agenda items which were still pending were taken up for discussion. Item numbers 1,3,8, 9 & 29-Grant of financial upgradation in the promotional hierarchy instead of Grade Pay hierarchy under the MACPS. The Staff Side reiterated their demand that the financial upgradations under the MACP Scheme should be granted in the promotional hierarchy of posts instead of the Grade Pay hierarchy. The Staff Side stated that the erstwhile ACP Scheme was implemented on the recommendations of the 5th CPC and, as such, has become a part of the service conditions of the employees. The Staff Side, therefore, contended that the Government cannot impose the MACP Scheme thereby altering the service conditions to the detriment of the employees. The Official Side stated that the 6th CPC recommended two financial upgradations in the Grade Pay hierarchy after 12 and 24 years. However, the Government improved upon the recommendations of the 6th CPC and has implemented MACPS with three financial up gradations in the Grade pay hierarchy after 10, 20 & 30 years. Referring to earlier discussions held in the matter, the Official Side stated that the Government was willing to consider revision in para 13 of the MACP Scheme to the effect that organizations I cadres shall have the option to choose either the ACP scheme or MACP Scheme. However, the Staff Side pointed that such a dispensation will not be practical and hence there is a need to explore other alternatives to solve the issue. After discussion, it was agreed that there is no need to change the basic structure of MACP Scheme. However, there is a need to separately examine those cases where MACP Scheme is less advantageous than the ACP Scheme. Accordingly, it was decided that the Official Side will write to the Ministry of Railways, Defence, Urban Development, Home and the Department of Posts to forward information in respect of the specific categories of employees where the MACPS is less advantageous than the erstwhile ACP Scheme The Official Side also requested the Staff Side to collect and forward such information to the Department of Personnel 8 Training for further necessary action. Iân this connection, the Staff Side specifically pointed out the case of Technician category wherein under ACP (w.e.f 1.10.199) the staff got upgradation to Rs.4500- 7000 (V CPC) on completion of 24 years whereas under MACPS they get the same benefit, i.e. Grade Pay of Rs.2800 afler 30 years. Item Nos. 2,7,20 8 48-Date of Effect of MACP Scheme The Staff Side stated that many employees who retired between 1.1,2006 and 31st August, 2008, have been deprived of the benefits of MACP Scheme and therefore, demanded that the MACP Scheme may be made effective from 1.1.2006. The Official Side stated that the matter was discussed and finalized in the second meeting of the Joint Committee and therefore, there was no reason to reopen the matter. After discussions, it was decided that the matter may be treated as finalised so far as the Joint Committee on MACP IS concerned and if required, the Staff Side may raise this issue in the next meeting of the National Anomaly Committee. Item Nos. 57 â Grant of ACP benefit to Artisan Staff of the Ministry of Defence The Staff Side stated that consequent upon the recommendations of the Fast Track Committee, the highly skilled Artisan Staff of the Ministry of Defence was bifurcated in two categories, i.e., Highly Skilled -II (with Grade Pay of Rs.2400/-)and Highly Skilled-I (With Grade Pay of Rs.2800/-). The Staff Side contended that this bifurcation, in the first instance, may be treated as placement and not as promotion for the purpose of MACP. The Official Side stated that as per the extant instructions of the Department of Personnel 8 Training, where the whole of a cadre is placed in a higher scale, such placement is not treated as promotion. However, when only a part of a cadre is placed in a higher scale, then such placement is treated as promotion for all purposes including MACPS. The Official Side further stated that even under the erstwhile ACP Scheme similar practice was followed and there is no reason to deviate from that. The Staff Side cited a Supreme Court judgment in the case of Union of India Vs V.K. Sirotia reported in 1999 Supreme Court cases (L&S) 938 that where certain percentage of post are granted higher pay scales to seniors in the cadre will be treated as placement and not promotion. The Staff Side also cited the Manual of instructions for restructuring of cadres in 1.A & A.D (para 3.2.8) wherein it has been stated that the Screening Committee in combined Audit & Accounts Offices besides selecting persons for transfer to audit offices will also decide on their placement (& not promotion) against the higher scale posts. After prolonged discussions, it was decided that the matter would be re-examined by the Department of Personnel & Training in consultation with the Department of Expenditure. Item Nos. 12,30 & 49 â Treatment of employees selected under LDCE Scheme / GDCE Scheme. The Staff Side demanded that employees selected under the LDCE Scheme / GDCE Scheme should be treated as a direct recruit and their earlier promotions and services rendered should be ignored for the purpose of MACPS as was being done in the ACP Scheme. The Official Side informed that treatment of such cases would generaly be same in MACP as was in the ACP Scheme. Ministry of Railways would be advised to examine the matter accordingly. Item Nos.11.15.22.39.47 & 51- Promotion in the identical Grade Pay The Staff Side raised the issue of promotions in the identical grade pay and demanded that in such cases the benefit of one increment should be granted at the time of promotion. âThe Official Side stated that if regular promotion is to the same grade pay, then MACP would also be granted to the same grade pay. On the issue of whether one increment is to be allowed in such cases, a reference has been received in the Department of Expenditure from Ministry of Railways. Further action in the matter would be taken consequent upon receipt of certain information from Ministry of Railways as called for by the Department of Expenditure. 4. After discussion on the agenda items, the Staff Side stated that in many instances the provisions of the MACP Scheme were being misinterpreted by various Ministries/ Departments thereby causing financial loss to the employees. The Official Side stated that many Ministries/ Departments had sought various clarifications regarding the provisions of the MACP Scheme which has been given. In addition, many clarificatory Office Memoranda have also been issued by the Department of Personnel & Training to allay the misgivings misunderstandings regarding the Scheme. However, if certain misgiving misunderstandings were still continuing, the respective Ministries/ Departments may be advised to refer the matter to the Department of Personnel & Training for resolution of the same. 5. In the end, it was decided that the recommendations of the Joint Committee on MACP Scheme along with the action taken report may be discussed in the next -meeting of the National Anomaly Committee. 6. The meeting ended with a vote of thanks to the Chair. http://persmin.gov.in/WriteReadData/CircularPortal/D2/D02est/11_1_2010-JCA-1.pdf |
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11 Responses
Kindly change the grade pay of LDC after 10 years of upgradation from Rs 2000 to Rs 2400. Because it is too less after the hard labour of 10 years.
Thanks
sanjay
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what about discussion point at sr. no 1 (one increment to staff with increment date between february & july). Govt is cheating the employees on this issue? what is the implecation?……Totally unfair…..
Refer contends of para No.3 on Item numbers 1,3,8, 9 & 29-Grant of financial upgradation in the promotional hierarchy instead of Grade Pay hierarchy under the MACPS.
The saying,âHowever, there is a need to separately examine those cases where MACP Scheme is less advantageous than the ACP Schemeâ is absolutely correct.
In our department, under ACP scheme financial upgradation was given as follows. After completion of 12 years of service (without promotion) from Rs.3050 to 4000 (5th CPC) and after completion of 24 years of service from Rs.4000 to Rs.5000 (5th CPC). The corresponding pay band 9300-34800 and grade pay of Rs.4200 was achieved in 24 years of service.
But under MACP scheme the grade pay of Rs.4200 can only be reached after 30 years of service. This is also only by staffs who were already got Ist upgradation under ACP after 12 years of service.
Others cannot achieve the grade pay of Rs.4200/ throughout entire service. As they will get 1st 2nd and 3rd upgradation as Rs.2000, 2400 and 2800.
Hence, the MACP scheme is less advantageous than the ACP scheme.
This information must be forwarded to the DOPT for their further necessary action.
As per the orders on the grant of ACP/MACP an employee who joins as LDC and after doing graduation and clearing the Test for appointment of UDC, he placement from LDC/Clerk to UDC/Auditor is not treated as promotion for grant of ACP/MACP but in case of an employee who is appointed as LDC and on passing the Part I of Deptt test for the promotion of supervisory post he is considered for the post of UDC without completing the time limit and his up gradation from LDC to UDC is considered as promotion which is not justified as the later one could not get the chance of clearing Deptt test after doing his graduation. Please therefore this kind of promotion is also not to be co0nsidered as promotion as in the earlier case and this will also remove the disparity between two employees and financial benifit as one employee get the MACP but the second one was denied this benifit. Please forward yhis case to anomaly committee on MACP for examination and the result may kindly be communicated to me, Thanks
SIR,
I WANT TO KNOW MORE AND COMPLETE DETAILS WITH REGARD TO ITEM NOS 12, 30 & 49 (Treatment of employees selected under LDCE Scheme / GDCE Scheme) BEING LDCE CANDIDATE AND TREATED AS A PROMOTEE.
I am also sufferrer and working as a lDC Since 1998 but the six pay commission. I was put in Grade Pay (MACP)of Rs.2000/- after complition of 10 years regular service as LDC. It is gross injustices with me. 10 years valuable experience has been awarded in just a Rs.100/- meagre increase in my salary. As much I thing it has been made joke with me.
To PIO/DOP&T
Have your department received any case from Office of the CAO & JS (Trg)/Ministry of Defence for fixation of pay of assistants who got ACP on 01.01.06 and promotion on 07.04.06. If yes, what is the status of the case.
I am working as LDC in ROHFW Hyderabad. I request Anomoly Committee to kindly approve the request made from the staff side regarding merger of LDC and UDC with grade of Rs 2800/-. The merger of Gp Ds with LDCs is simply depressing for us as we have go through All India exam to obtain this job. The GP for LDCs is not satisfiable for the hard labor we do in offices dealing with multiple subjects.
what is the mode of pay fixation on 1st and 2nd MACP granted after completion of 10 & 20 years service on 01-09-2008. Kindly give an example if possible.
We were getting the grade pay 2000 in against the old scale 3200-4900. after completing 12 years we were hoping the grade pay 2800 in against old scale 4500-700. but the scheme of MACP the IIT employees now getting after 10 years Rs. 2400 as grade pay without changing designation which is not correct. When the govt. has change the promotion benefit in place of 12,24 as 10,20 than the employees who are are entitle for 10,20,30 govt must give the next step of the old scale i.e. 3200-4900 after 10 years benefit he can get grade pay 2800 in place of 2400 at preset which is given by govt against MACP.
Please look into the matter so that the ruling party can get benefit in election from govt. employees.
Thanks
Benefits of MACPS should have been given to employees in the same manner of Non technical post and technical posts pay structure and not on grade pay system. Technical employee should be given technical grade pay in hierarchy in 10th, 20th and 30th years of serviceand non technical should be given non technical grade pay in hierarchy . Grade pay system should be withdrawn and basic pay system should be followed in principle in giving benefits to employees(As followed by the CGHS benefit for General Ward /Semi private ward and earlier pay commissions report’s recommendations). I am sure if MACPS scheme shown to 6th pay commission reports preparetor the pay commissions recommendation are different for LDC/UDC ranks employees of Central Government.
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